tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-821259983338019563.post4958442804666149189..comments2024-03-17T02:37:20.438-07:00Comments on bibliotaphsblog: Helter Skelter Book Club: Week 3Bibliotaphs Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02719958663018880997noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-821259983338019563.post-5835563529678204772017-10-20T11:42:55.517-07:002017-10-20T11:42:55.517-07:00Yeah I would have been completely horrified to be ...Yeah I would have been completely horrified to be locked in a cell with Sadie. Also I like that point of how far people will go to get affection/attention ... it is deeply sad, but also so scary. Like maybe it really is that simple...Meghan Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827865054316569408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-821259983338019563.post-70661956813079958692017-10-17T06:56:46.975-07:002017-10-17T06:56:46.975-07:00The pictures of him give me the creeps too!!! More...The pictures of him give me the creeps too!!! More than any other criminal ever. I chalk it up to knowing absolutely nothing about him/the murders. Hopefully after reading this I'll be able to look at him without losing sleep.bibliotaphsbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10875266965053632320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-821259983338019563.post-87230899441962883842017-10-16T15:59:51.687-07:002017-10-16T15:59:51.687-07:00This part of the book had me really on edge. There...This part of the book had me really on edge. There is something sickly fascinating about murderers and serial killers, to get inside their heads a bit. But then you want to watch a cartoon before bed lol. I still cannot imagine being that fucking unhinged where you're brainwashed to the point of committing murder?! Dear lord help us all. Everyone makes choices that are influenced by your environment in some way I guess...But wow. It is frightening the lengths people will go to for affection and attention. What a path to take.<br />Still looking forward to learning more about Manson. Is it that simple? These people were just such impressionable or lost sheep and boom he just starting spouting bullshit to them and they went hook, line and sinker? The pictures of him really give me the creeps. <br /><br />I also applaud the efforts of Virginia and Ronnie. I would've had a hard time sleeping next to that psycho Sadie/Susan.Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08118239836495456141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-821259983338019563.post-78183776483257350712017-10-16T10:33:56.909-07:002017-10-16T10:33:56.909-07:00Hi pals. I feel like this whole cult thing makes p...Hi pals. I feel like this whole cult thing makes perfect sense to me and I know 100% I would be the ideal victim for a cult because I will believe ANYTHING said to me by a male authority figure that others think is cool. I want to watch that thing about Leah Remini, so does this mean Scientology is actually a cult? What does Tom Cruise say?<br /><br />What I found frustrating about this section was the lack of trust the cops had in the people who were telling these stories. I'm very sorry she didn't get it 100% fucking right and thought they cut the baby out... if I was hearing that story, I may be in my own head and get a few things wrong too. I think the cops need to be considerate of people trying to help them, a bit more patient, and a bit more understanding that maybe while they were listening to a psychopath confess a jillion crimes, they weren't taking perfect notes.<br /><br />I'm sad we didn't learn more about Manson himself in this section. I want to know where he grew up, what he eats for breakfast, and whether he believes this whole 'love' gimmick too or if he is just evil and knows how to manipulate women. bibliotaphsbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10875266965053632320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-821259983338019563.post-12437120164249883332017-10-16T09:43:59.338-07:002017-10-16T09:43:59.338-07:00Yes, it takes a great deal of reflexivity to see y...Yes, it takes a great deal of reflexivity to see your actions objectively, an I think Atkins just has no ability to do this. I think part of that was because she was so enchanted by Manson; she was completely under his spell. It's hard to see anything any other way than through that particular lens, and I think she really had no hope to view it any other way. She was indoctrinated into a way of thinking because it made her feel a part of something, and to feel love. And given her background, she never really had much of an example in the realm of "love" so how is she to know what sacrifices on behalf of love really mean? Plot twist: she doesn't.<br /><br />And that's a really good point about the different crimes, and I think points to the major flaws with the prison system in the United States (and honestly, in Canada too - we have a whole heap of issues). The fact that Ronnie and Virginia were intimidated and scared of this woman (rightfully so) points to a need for restructuring the system into something that is more reflective of criminal activity. <br /><br />I miss you too, Meg! Next time you come to London, please message me! I wanna hang with you! Kenan Omercajichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546416627292786309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-821259983338019563.post-80976476254837078462017-10-16T08:09:16.839-07:002017-10-16T08:09:16.839-07:00Also thanks for writing this week Kenan!!!! I miss...Also thanks for writing this week Kenan!!!! I miss youMeghan Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827865054316569408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-821259983338019563.post-33813590921856564022017-10-16T08:08:53.314-07:002017-10-16T08:08:53.314-07:00I totally agree about the organized religion bit. ...I totally agree about the organized religion bit. Because at first everyone is shocked that Atkins would "confess" to these nursery .. but in her mind they are totally acceptable.. like any one else involved in acts of terrorism or war. I always remind myself that we're always the hero in our own story, we never perceive ourselves to be the bad guys.. regardless of how the others perceive our actions.<br />Sadie Mae is fucking batshit and she annoys the hell out of me. She is so immature.<br />I also find it horrifying that Ronnie and Virginia (in prison for prostutuion and some financial crimes?) are in the same cell as Susan/Sadie... VERY different crimes.Meghan Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827865054316569408noreply@blogger.com